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#: 19435 S13/GEOS Connection I
20-May-89 23:01:45
Sb: #GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533
To: [F] All 76703,4032 (X)
Hello!
I just sat down with GEOS 2.0 a bit ago, but I'm already annoyed (a bit)...
I've got all my applications, desk accs, fonnts, etc. on a 1581 disk and was
planning to use the '41 for a data drive. But every time I enter an
application, the system seems to lose track of the fact that yes! there
is another drive connected... And so I'm stuck saving to the 1581....
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? I've got both DESKTOP 2.0 and
CONFIGURE 2.0 on the 1581, nothing onn the 1541.
If I could just get this going, I'd be in geoHeaven... I absolutely love
this little 1581... Sitting next to my monster 1541s, you'd never guess
that it stores 5x more than one of them!
Enough rambling... Any help would be met with much gracious weeping.....
-TR.
#: 19437 S13/GEOS Connection I
20-May-89 23:13:28
Sb: #19435-#GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533 (X)
Unfortunately, in order to use a mixed drive system the way you want, with
data on one drive type, and programs on another, you need a 1764 REU. GEOS only
has room for one set of drive parameters at a time. With the REU in place,
these parameters are automatically stored there, and dynamically fetched as
needed. As far back as GEOS 1.3, BSW consolidated all the drivespecific code
into a contiguous block of memory, and it was widely believed that disk drivers
would be supplied as separate files. In fact, at least one version of the BSW
Convert program has a menu entry for disk drivers, and a GEOS file type was
reserved for them. But they never implemented them, instead keeping all the
driver code inside the deskTop, which can dynamically fetch what it needs.
Once an application is loaded, though, the deskTop is out, and without an REU,
only the applications home drive-type can be accessed.
The only redeeming factor here is that at least the 1581 is big enough that
you *can* store your programs and data on it. The whole thing is strangely
reminiscent of IBM, where every added bit of functionality winds up requiring
more hardware to be practical.
#: 19438 S13/GEOS Connection I
20-May-89 23:22:06
Sb: #19437-#GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Thanks for the informati!
Oh well, at least I know I'm not goofy in the head... It seems to me
that the 2.0 user's manual doesn't exactly SCREAM this fact out at you,
unless I missed a chapter or two...
Sigh. I guess an REU isn't such a bad idea, anyways... If anything, it's
a good excuse to get one... Then, hopefully, I'll be able to get the most
out of GEOS. I'm used to using folders, partitions etc. on an ST and
I guess I'm on an unending quest for organization...
Nevertheless, thanks very much for the information... Kind of neat, I
log on, post the message, do a UST, notice 2 sysops online... So I go
DL a font editor, come back, and voila! a response...!
-TR.
#: 19440 S13/GEOS Connection I
20-May-89 23:42:34
Sb: #19438-GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533
We aims to please <grin>. All around, good timing.
I think the REU requirement is documented *somewhere*, but I haven't run
across it either.
I love my 1581, too. You've reminded me that I wish GEOS made better use of
it. It's annoying that there's absolutely no support for 1581 partitions,
which would have made nifty folders! Even more annoying is the fact that you
can't get more than 17 pages, or 136 files, on a GEOS 1581 disk. 136 files is
more than you'll need for most uses, but I have a *lot* of fonts, and the disks
they're stored on have plenty of space left, but no way to put more files on,
since GEOS assumes everything has the same directory capacity as a 1541, and
can't be made to listen to reason.
I'm told one of the commercial copy-protection-busting outfits has just come
out with a new version of their product that'll produce 1581 boot disks for
GEOS.
#: 19453 S13/GEOS Connection I
22-May-89 20:25:31
Sb: #19440-GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Hi...
Yes, I agree... It would be great! if BSW would take a hack at using
the 1581's partitioning as subdirectories... It would be a big step in
keeping things organized, and also fill in one of the things that GEOS
lacks when compared to 16 bit desktops...{_
On the matter of the 1581... I really wish that software companies
would acknowledge the variety! of hardware out there for the 64. Like,
for instance, I just bought Neuromancer 2 days ago. Has a fastload, but
the disk is not protected... However, it's either reading files in
thru direct block-reads, or has a directory -somewhere- on the disk...
Anyways, my point is: Why? If they'd left all the files as FILES, it
may (!) have slowed down their fastload a bit... But I could have sat
down here, copied all of the files over to a 1581 disk, disabled their
fastdos (an option they seem to have forgotten), and off I would have
gone... No disk swaps! Grrr... Also, implementation of the 1351 mouse
in proportional mode would have been nice... I've had enough moving
a pointer around with a joystick in my first days with GEOS 1.?...
Well, anyways, I'll stop rambling. Thanks for the prompt replies, as
I said... You people do a good job here!
-TR.
#: 19453 S13/GEOS Connection I
22-May-89 20:25:31
Sb: #19440-GEOS 2.0 w/1581
Fm: R. Barnhardt {BrainWaves 73707,533
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Hi...
Yes, I agree... It would be great! if BSW would take a hack at using
the 1581's partitioning as subdirectories... It would be a big step in
keeping things organized, and also fill in one of the things that GEOS
lacks when compared to 16 bit desktops...
On the matter of the 1581... I really wish that software companies
would acknowledge the variety! of hardware out there for the 64. Like,
for instance, I just bought Neuromancer 2 days ago. Has a fastload, but
the disk is not protected... However, it's either reading files in
thru direct block-reads, or has a directory -somewhere- on the disk...
Anyways, my point is: Why? If they'd left all the files as FILES, it
may (!) have slowed down their fastload a bit... But I could have sat
down here, copied all of the files over to a 1581 disk, disabled their
fastdos (an option they seem to have forgotten), and off I would have
gone... No disk swaps! Grrr... Also, implementation of the 1351 mouse
in proportional mode would have been nice... I've had enough moving
a pointer around with a joystick in my first days with GEOS 1.?...
Well, anyways, I'll stop rambling. Thanks for the prompt replies, as
I said... You people do a good job here!
-TR.